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Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - Anubis - 06-11-2020
Name: Badank Badank
SteamID or Discord ID: STEAM_0:0:448826267
Type of Ban: CTBan
Which Server?: Jailbreak #1
Why were you banned?: Massying after Massyween due to a misunderstanding.
Why should you be unbanned?: As this is bigger than I expected, let me note this isn't a troll and I don't put this much effort into anything unless I believe that there is something fundamentally wrong. I criticise using the court of public opinion so I urge the people reading this to take as my opinion, a player of DS not an ex-operator, and my opinion alone regardless of the comments left by people.
I personally think this Ban is complete and utter rubbish and makes this current staff team look extremely terrible. I believe that the leadership have for what ever reason given into the trolls of the community who made a ban request against badank. I personally +1'd the request because of how extremely ridiculous it sounded. I can personally guarantee you that 90% of the people on the threads were memeing or just don't really care what the outcome is.
1) As a community rule staff members should NEVER receive the same degree of punishment as a player. Staff Members should not issue player punishments upon other staff members regardless of the situation. Situation A) Badank is mic spamming, Badanks senior will talk to him about this and let him know if his actions continue he will face demotion / removal from staff, not a mute on the server. Situation B) Badank has freekilled someone on the server on accident, out of respect a staff member tells Badank what has happened and Badank will slay himself and the player respawned. Situation C) Badank has mass freekilled on the server, he is first removed from staff and then ct banned. Never in my history of Running / Staffing and community have I seen a staff member receive a punishment as severe as this and I personally think it is extremely unjust.
2) I think that this ban has shown an extreme flaw within the Leadership of DS. This request should of been dealt with by the operators and the operators alone. I firmly believe that any previous operator team of DS would of made the choice to talk to badank about it how ever not punish him. I know for a fact that something like this should be dealt with inside the staff ranks and punishment guidelines and not in the court of public opinion. I believe that the way this was dealt with due to the amount of players voicing issue of it and not the actual case against badank. I see this as the Higher staff members having no back bone what so ever when it comes to decisions that affect the staff team. At the moment the leadership criticise the mods for having 0 back bone when it comes to dealing with ex-staff members. How ever, how do you think the staff team feels knowing that if something like this happens to them their own staff members don't even have their back with arguably one of the best staff members in the team at the moment. Summarising it up bluntly, you shouldn't of let the playerbase grab you by the balls and give badank a ban, its ridiculous. I would of stood as a team and put our foot down stating you had made your decision and that it was final that badank wouldn't be punished for an innocent mistake. And if players questioned it, who cares. You have run arguably the most successful JB server in the history of AUS JB and every step of the way you have faced criticism about multiple things.
3) One of the things Onionz and Chiswell had pointed out an issue with the current junior staff team is the inability to use discretion where necessary. For example we see two ends of the spectrums in terms of the way gada's suggestion / overall notice of how mic spamming has been handled by the junior team. A fundamental thing about Jailbreak has always been spamming / banter / screaming etc so it is critical that in those funny moments this is allowed to happen. The way the Junior staff perceived this new perspective completely transpired into them letting godly amounts of people ear rape on the server. The idea of the mic spamming is besides the point, it's the use of discretion here which is the topic of debate in this scenario. You preach the idea of teaching the Junior staff members how to use discretion to maximise the potential utility of fun on the server, yet it seems discretion has been thrown out the window here. We all know that what Badank did was a clear mistake and that he is genuinely sorry and cannot apologise enough, like he can't it was a full on honest mistake. If there was ever a time to instil faith in your staff team it would have been now. At the moment the staff team is facing the most intense scrutiny and criticism it has ever faced especially towards the administrating and handling of Gean, Pods, (formally) Arrow and Uncle Rifle. I am not going to sling mud in saying that these staff members have extreme cases of where discretion has been looked at too lightly (which I easily can), the staff team is still suppose to be a team. And in a time where the staff members want to leave the staff team due to its criticism and current demands they need to know that their leadership will have their back in ridiculous claims like this.
4) Badank is currently one of the best staff members on the server. He has been on my personal radar for a while for promotion to Head Admin if there ever was a spot to be open. His strengths include discretion, activeness, mentoring and admining skills. The Skills that he has to develop which members like Onionz, Magics, Jas and Chiswell could coach him to work on is at the exact same level which I think Boink and Big Ducky are at the moment. He still lacks that ability to be able to make a decision and firmly stick with it through tough criticism. How ever at the moment I feel like the operator team is too weak to be able to pass on this type of admining style to him as they don't possess it themselves. I know I am on a tangent about general observations unrelated to this ban, but what I mean to insinuate is that I put badank on a pedistool on the same level as a lot of the leadership team here in DS. I believe that by doing this you are spitting in the face of one of your most loyal staff members I cannot fathom how much work badank has put into trying to help what is left of the junior staff team. The only people realistically putting an effective type of effort to help the mods are: Chiswell, Badank, Luck, Slicer, T-Songy, MattTheCat Panda and Krispy. Which is not much at all. I know that by handing Badank this punishment it has with out a doubt made him feel down about his position (Whether he has admitted it or not), and I also think that the staff team would view this as incredibly extreme.
I really hope you read the whole thing. I said this as I believe that badank is one of the crucial staff members along with a select few under Magics's leadership where they can turn the server from the point at the moment where it is shit to play on how ever still gets numbers on the server. Transforming it into something worth while playing, not just a high player count.
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - Turtle - 06-11-2020
+1 i agree
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - HOWLZE - 06-11-2020
bootlicker
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - ✪ Deaglegotu - 06-11-2020
I agree.
As I had stated in the original ban post, it was clearly a time issue as Badank is from Indonesia.
Many players could argue that he could've received the discord announcement or surely someone would've said in-game the even had finished.
But I believe since the post wasn't a mention post and in the clip, all you could hear were mic spammers, he could've easily missed it.
Admins are able to make mistakes just like you and I do but unlike us, when they slip-up, everyone asks like the world is going to end.
Even if it was an unintentional free kill and they forgot to slay, the second the mishap happens its posted to the thread and everyone one-ups it hoping to get them gone for no reason or because they have hate for the person over something they had done wrong and got punished for in the past.
But anyways the problem has been dealt with and Badank has sincerely apologized and self banned himself but that is beside the point.
The real problem we need to address is the constant abuse the staff seems to get.
I am disgusted by how people can be so rude to others over a simple mistake by another.
They are Human!
This behaviour is absolutely disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated and it's so sad that the staff have to put up with it nearly all the time.
Whether its people saying in-game "All staff are bad" or "... shouldn't be staff they suck" I hear it everywhere.
I couldn't even imagine how much hate they get privately or on other platforms and it makes me wish I could help them somehow but if I stood up to these bullies I would then be apart of the constant abuse as well.
I feel really bad for the staff and wonder how they put up with it, even when it's online over a game, even if you can somehow brush it aside, I wonder how they can keep their self-esteem stable.
I may be wrong and this may be a one-off thing, but I see it in-game all the time from players.
All I can say is hope you're doing well staff and if you're one of the people I'm talking about...
You need to STOP!
Badank thanks for apologizing and self-banning, even though I do not believe it was rightful.
Thanks for reading and I hope you all took my points into account.
Once again I'm, not staff so I may be wrong
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - C3pec - 06-11-2020
(06-11-2020, 12:40 PM)✪ Deaglegotu Wrote: I agree.
As I had stated in the original ban post, it was clearly a time issue as Badank is from Indonesia.
Many players could argue that he could've received the discord announcement or surely someone would've said in-game the even had finished.
But I believe since the post wasn't a mention post and in the clip, all you could hear were mic spammers, he could've easily missed it.
Admins are able to make mistakes just like you and I do but unlike us, when they slip-up, everyone asks like the world is going to end.
Even if it was an unintentional free kill and they forgot to slay, the second the mishap happens its posted to the thread and everyone one-ups it hoping to get them gone for no reason or because they have hate for the person over something they had done wrong and got punished for in the past.
But anyways the problem has been dealt with and Badank has sincerely apologized and self banned himself but that is beside the point.
The real problem we need to address is the constant abuse the staff seems to get.
I am disgusted by how people can be so rude to others over a simple mistake by another.
They are Human!
This behaviour is absolutely disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated and it's so sad that the staff have to put up with it nearly all the time.
Whether its people saying in-game "All staff are bad" or "... shouldn't be staff they suck" I hear it everywhere.
I couldn't even imagine how much hate they get privately or on other platforms and it makes me wish I could help them somehow but if I stood up to these bullies I would then be apart of the constant abuse as well.
I feel really bad for the staff and wonder how they put up with it, even when it's online over a game, even if you can somehow brush it aside, I wonder how they can keep their self-esteem stable.
I may be wrong and this may be a one-off thing, but I see it in-game all the time from players.
All I can say is hope you're doing well staff and if you're one of the people I'm talking about...
You need to STOP!
Badank thanks for apologizing and self-banning, even though I do not believe it was rightful.
Thanks for reading and I hope you all took my points into account.
Once again I'm, not staff so I may be wrong
but all staff are bad? its true dog gl on ur mini mod application btw
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - ✪ Deaglegotu - 06-11-2020
Many staff are good but few staff do let the team down and those are the ones that make it look like all staff are horrible.
Once again, I may be wrong and this is my opinion but it seems the staff is good at what they do it's just many times they can be quite nazi.
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - HOWLZE - 06-11-2020
^ oh please adminz, may i slobber on your feet? i need your crusty, succulent & unwashed heels in my mouth to quench my thirst
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - gada - 06-11-2020
+1 pressuring a younger staff member into doing something retarded like banning himself just cause you are too lazy / autistic to go through the proper process is dumb.
but badank prob shouldnt have massied still.
maybe just dont ban people for doing small mistakes like that regardless of their staff stuff.
Quote:Whether its people saying in-game "All staff are bad" or "... shouldn't be staff they suck" I hear it everywhere.deagle stfu this isnt ur fucking tumblr page these niggas chose to be staff. grow some balls or u wont be staff either. Thanks for the new signature, dumbass nigga.
I couldn't even imagine how much hate they get privately or on other platforms and it makes me wish I could help them somehow but if I stood up to these bullies I would then be apart of the constant abuse as well.
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RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - smuc - 06-11-2020
this whole situation is a joke, cunts complain when he doesnt get banned and are now complaining that he now is banned. ban should be remove and everything should be forgotten about, there is nothing wrong with the hierarchy of staff and the massy was part of the fun that makes special events what they should be, the massy shoudnt be classed as a big mistake. this is not a big problem with admin abuse you fucking retards
RE: Badank Badank (STEAM_0:0:448826267) | Unban Request - ✪ Deaglegotu - 06-11-2020
(06-11-2020, 05:24 PM)smucc Wrote: this whole situation is a joke, cunts complain when he doesnt get banned and are now complaining that he now is banned. ban should be remove and everything should be forgotten about, there is nothing wrong with the hierarchy of staff and the massy was part of the fun that makes special events what they should be, the massy shoudnt be classed as a big mistake. this is not a big problem with admin abuse you fucking retards
+1 exactly what I was trying to say but I did go over the top